To finish what we started on Tuesday...
MJ: Ok, now that the series is over....what now? What a horrible display of basketball. Even when they were up 19, I wasn't remotely confident. They still looked scared and completely lacking confidence, even when they were building that big lead. What a demoralizing series.
Jim: I pretty much felt the same way you did. I wasn't confident they could hold that 19 point lead. Most of their baskets were a struggle and I knew they couldn't keep that up. I was just surprised how quickly it vanished. I thought it would take Detroit until mid-4th quarter or so to take the lead.
Nonetheless, what's amazing is they were still in that game with like a minute to play and Nocioni shooting those free throws. If he makes both, it's a one possession game and who knows what could happen. They win that game, get some confidence, who knows maybe they could win game 4 and push it to 6 games. By no means could they win, but at least extend the series. They will be VERY lucky not to be swept.
They all looked scared though. Deng especially. I walk away from this series not knowing if he has the killer instinct to be that go to guy for them as they've hyped him up to be. Gordon inch for inch is probably one of the best scorers in the NBA, but he's just too damn small.
This team may need some drastic measures in the off-season to take the next step. Of course, if they strike it rich in the draft and get Oden, it would take care of everything.
MJ: Nocioni was the LVP of this series. Just awful, from start to finish. Skiles shouldn't have given him all those minutes, especially at the end. You mean, after shooting less than 20% for the entire playoffs, you think "he's due" and all of a sudden going to get hot in the closing minutes of a tight game? Come on.
I'm not sure if this team needs to be blown up, though. Reinforcements, for sure. They get Oden or Durant, and they're set. Otherwise, they'll have to trade off some of this young talent for a big man. Gasol would be nice, but I still don't think he's worth a Deng. Of course, Garnett would be the dream acquisition. (though that dream isn't as good lately with the T-Wolves missing the playoffs three years in a row.) I don't think he's going anywhere unless he pulls an Iverson and requests a trade. Assuming he does, what would you give to get him? Surely Deng or Gordon must be a part of the package, and I'd trade Gordon if I had to choose, but who else? Thomas? Think Gordon, Thomas and the Knick number one would do it (provided it's not top 3).
All I know is this has been a completely demoralizing series. I was so excited after the Miami series, but now I feel like I've been watching Super Bowl XLI for a week straight. Well, not that bad, but it was certainly a miserable experience watching the game last night.
Jim: I think the way they laid down in this series is the most disappointing. If anything, you could always count on this team to be tough and hard-nosed. They look like a bunch of sissies right now, far from a Scott Skiles/John Paxson team.
I'd offer up the package you suggested for Garnett. I'm not sure that it would be enough though, as they turned the same thing down last year with Deng in there instead of Gordon. I wouldn't trade Deng right now, even though he's been massively disappointing in this series. Seriously as awesome as he was vs. the Heat, his flop in this series almost completely cancels it out. He had some opportunities to knock down some big shots last night and he missed them.
I'd give Nocioni the benefit of the doubt since he's been hurt. He's a valuable guy to have with his energy and effort. I'd keep him around.
Hinrich is good, although not a star. It would be nice to win that game 4, even though they are already finished.
MJ: I'm not down on Nocioni long term, I think overall he's very good and he was one of the few Bulls to really stand out and hit clutch shots in the playoffs the last two seasons. It's just this year, bad foot and all, he's been awful. I blame Skiles for playing him too much.
I think Minnesota would have to take that package. Two young guys with All-Star ceilings and a high lottery pick for an aging former MVP. Garnett is only useful for them if they plan on making a Finals run in the next year or two. Gordon and Thomas would be a valuable pair for the next 10 years, to say nothing of the lottery pick.
I'm kind of torn on Hinrich. I like him, he's a good player and all, but he's rarely great and I just don't ever see him making an All-Star team. And he's very inconsistent. At his best, he'll give you 20 points and 10 assists. But at his worst, he'll give you nothing. A good guard should be able to make plays and get you assists even when his shot isn't falling. Hinrich just disappears far too much. Not that we can't win with him, but I can't imagine him being anything better than the "fourth best player on a championship team." Which is fine and dandy, but you expect more from the face of the franchise. Fair or not, I think he's the guy the Bulls center their marketing around.
What about Ben Wallace? Do you think his five year deal was a mistake? Would you rather have kept Chandler? In hindsight, and assuming Tyson played in Chicago the way he has in New Orleans, it's clear that keeping Chandler would have made more sense. But I'm not a fan of revisionist history. Chandler had five years to prove himself, and he clearly regressed in his last year in Chicago. His 2006 playoff performance was especially brutal, and I can't blame the Bulls for dumping him in favor of Big Ben.
Jim: From what I heard Minnesota has had some financial troubles and the draw of Garnett is pretty much all they've got going right now. I just don't see them dealing him.
I kind of think differently about Hinrich. You can always expect good defense out of him, and he generally takes good care of the ball at the point guard spot. He gets in trouble when he tries to do too much, in other words score too much. I think if he had a bigger two guard playing along side of him he could be an all-star. He just has to score too much though when Gordon disappears. I think he may still be the best player we have right now, though Deng has the most potential.
I would take Chandler back right now for Wallace. Wallace is just too surly, old, and generally unproductive for the money he makes. We'll be lucky to get one more good season out of him really. I'd try to trade him back to the Pistons in the off-season.
Chandler probably would have never realized his full potential in Chicago, but the fans had already kind of forgotten he was the #2 overall pick in the draft. He was awful in last year's playoffs, but I think they should have stuck with him. At his height, he causes some major problems with blocking shots and rebounding. Wallace has to tap most rebounds to himself like Rodman used to.
MJ: I don't think Hinrich's defense is that consistent, though. Billups has destroyed him in this series, and he commits a ton of turnovers. Yes, he forces turnovers, but he commits more than he forces. If there was an expansion draft, and I had to choose players to protect, I'd probably put Hinrich after Deng, Gordon, and maybe even Thomas. Hinrich has just about peaked. Those other three have not.
Any other thoughts?
Jim: Billips would tear up most other guards in the league, too, though. Remember Hinrich has shut down DWade each of the last two years of the playoffs. Well, maybe not shut him down, but has kept his hands full. Like I said, I think Hinrich's main problem is he's been handi-capped by playing with a 2 guard with point guard (if that) size.
Someday Thomas could turn into a star. The guy's got mad athletic ability. He's probably the best athlete they've had since the Jordan era.
MJ: Regarding Thomas, that's a bold statement. I mean, Dalibor Bagaric was awfully talented.
Jim: Yeah, don't forget about Khalid El Amin & Dragan Tarlac.
My only other thought is I hope they don't get swept. Even though they have no prayer of winning this series, getting swept could have a lasting effect on the mindset of these young players. I think it's important for them to win a game, just for their own mental well-being.
MJ: As for avoiding the sweep, I honestly don't think it matters at this point. If they were to somehow win two or three, then yes, it would be beneficial. But extending the series one game won't mean anything. They're shot.
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